Google considers closing up in China in name of free speech restrictions

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Just some free Internet related news from Google regarding china. I support free internet entirely and we all deserve to see what's on the internet whether it is an anti-islamic video on YouTube or a document about the bloody Tienanmen square evenings in 1989. The initiator of those news is Google's blog post which speaks of attacks targeted at Chinese human rights advocates, assuming to be coordinated by the Chinese government. Also Google's apparently tired of filtering the Internet for a shitload of people because some twats in some government want that.
Read the articles, they're interesting.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/12/google.china/index.html
Google said Tuesday the company and at least 20 others were victims of a "highly sophisticated and targeted attack" originating in China in mid-December, evidently to gain access to the e-mail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.

"Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack did not achieve that objective," according to a statement by David Drummond, senior vice president of corporate development and chief legal officer for Google, operator of the most popular Internet search engine.

Drummond said that as a result of the attacks, Google has decided it is no longer willing to consider censorship of its Google site in China and may have to shut down its site and its offices in that nation.

"These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered -- combined with the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the Web -- have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of our business operations in China," Drummond wrote.

"We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all.

"We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China," Drummond's statement reads.

A Google spokesman said the targeted human rights activists were in the United States, Europe and China.

Efforts by CNN to reach the Chinese Embassy in Washington Tuesday evening were not successful.

Google, perhaps best known for its search engine, also provides other computer services, including e-mail, online mapping and social networking.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/13/google.china.exit/index.html
Within hours of Google's announcement that it was no longer willing to self-censor in China, Google.cn was retrieving results for sensitive topics including the 1989 crackdown at Tiananmen Square, the Dalai Lama and the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement.

Previously, a search for "Tiananmen" would only return images of the square itself. By early Wednesday, Google.cn linked to pages with information about the bloody government crackdown in 1989, though the page appears to have fluctuated between uncensored and somewhat censored throughout Wednesday.

Google said it was rolling back its self-censorship this week in a move that seems to indicate that -- despite attempts to build strong government relations and retool its own stated ethics -- the search engine has finally had enough of doing business the China way.

Do you think Google should leave China?

The tipping point came after what Google calls "sophisticated" cyber attacks originating from within China, targeting G-mail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. The company says the attacks "have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of our business operations in China."

In an official blog post issued Wednesday, Google's chief legal officer David Drummond said the company was "...No longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn...This may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China."

Later in the day, employees in Google's Beijing office were reportedly put on paid leave. Security was unusually tight. Employees reported they were unable to access many of the internal resources usually available from Google headquarters in Mountain View, California.

Several Google users and fans gathered in front of the company's China headquarters in northwest Beijing to express support for Internet freedom. A large number of flower deliveries were made to the company throughout the day, which Chinese bloggers interpreted as a symbol of mourning of the potential closing of Google China.

Liu Zheng, a 22-year-old Google user who made the trip, voiced his disappointment. "If Google leaves China, it is likely to be seen as an advancement of censorship, a success and a step forward for Internet oppression."

Google has not directly accused the Chinese government of being involved in the cyber attacks. It says it will seek negotiations over the next few weeks to determine whether it is possible to continue to operate within China.

Experts say the latest developments and potential exit from China is not surprising. Jeremy Goldkorn, China Internet analyst and founder of Danwei.org, said: "Google has been subject to an inordinate amount of harassment in China over the past year, ranging from blocking and interruption of services like Google Documents and G-mail that are not hosted in China, to state-owned broadcaster CCTV accusing [Google] of being propagators of pornography."

He adds: "The last six months have seen a huge increase of censorship on domestic sites and a noticeable attitude by the Chinese government saying they don't really care what foreigners think.

"I imagine the Chinese government's reaction is going to be 'Well, if you don't like our laws, get lost.'"

Goldkorn's site, Danwei.org, is a popular site on Chinese news, media and urban life in English, which is blocked in mainland China.

Known for its slogan "don't do evil," Google's new position drew praise from supporters of free speech, who in the past have been critical of the search engine for agreeing to government censorship as a condition for opening its doors in China.

"They've revisited the idea of censorship and the price they're paying is too high," says Roseann Rife of Amnesty International. "By pointing this out now, Google is a great example and it needs to be discussed in other corporations, in other board rooms."

Google, which launched its China-based search engine in 2006, has struggled for business in China since its inception. The Google.cn filter, which returns censored search results, was created after the original form of the U.S.-based search engine was routinely slowed or blocked by China's Internet controls.

At the time, the company hoped that by cooperating with the government, Chinese users could provide a fast search engine for a large mainland market.

Still, Google is dwarfed by Baidu.com, the leading Chinese search engine which dominates the majority of the search market in mainland China. According to a September 2009 survey by state-run China Internet Network Information Center, 13 percent of Chinese Internet users prefer Google whereas Baidu was the first choice for 77 percent.

If Google eventually exits China, it would be a decision that could come with enormous financial cost. This country has more than 300 million Internet users, more than any other. The Internet advertising market in China is seen as one of the most important and fastest growing in the world.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/13/google.china.analysis/index.html
Google's announcement that China should either stop censoring Internet searches or risk a pullout by the search-engine giant rocked the online world Wednesday, leaving observers to break down the meaning of the provocative move.

By standing up to the communist regime, Google fashioned itself a champion of free speech -- a mantle the California-based company has wrapped itself in, even as its decision to allow only limited results in China drew criticism.

But while many applauded Google's bold stance, others questioned whether finances may have had as much to do with its move as freedoms.

Google said Tuesday that the company and at least 20 others were victims of a "highly sophisticated and targeted attack" originating in China in mid-December, evidently to gain access to the e-mail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.

A Google spokesman said intellectual property was stolen in the attack, while declining specifically to say what kind. But the company said the attacker or attackers gained access to the header -- or subject-line information -- from the e-mails of two human rights activists through the Google network.

The contents of the e-mails were not accessed, the spokesman said.

As a result, the company said, it is no longer willing to abide by the filters that the Chinese government demanded on certain searches before allowing Google to operate in the country.

"We'd like to talk to the government about the ability to operate an unfiltered search engine in China, and that would be our preferred outcome," Google chief legal officer David Drummond said in an interview Tuesday with CNN. "However if that's not possible, then we'll have to consider other alternatives which could include shutting down the local site or even closing down our offices entirely."

Google officials acknowledge that since it started operating in China in 2006, thousands of search terms have been censored there. Within hours of Tuesday night's announcement, Google.cn was retrieving results for sensitive topics, including the 1989 crackdown at Tiananmen Square, the Dalai Lama and the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement in China.

Advocates of Internet freedom cheered the move.

Google's decision to filter itself in China in the first place was likely the most controversial in the history of the search-engine leader -- whose stock in trade is unfettered access to information and whose unofficial slogan is "Don't be evil."

"It's a move that, in the past, has been highly criticized," said Rhea Drysdale, who handles search-engine issues for Internet marketing company Outspoken Media. "As a search marketer myself, it's not something that we've really agreed with."

Google has argued that moving into China allowed Chinese users at least limited access to information. Workarounds by savvy Chinese users, particularly political dissidents, have at times found loopholes in the site's filters.

"We've always had a strong value of free expression and free access to information," Drummond said. "And we decided to go into China a few years ago because we thought our being there could help to open things up there, and to help open access to information.

"But what I think we've seen is that the environment in China on the Internet has gotten more restrictive, not less restrictive."
We just no longer in good conscience can continue to censor our results.
--Google legal officer David Drummond

Standing up to China, Drysdale said, buys Google lots of goodwill in the online community. The company had taken some heat online after CEO Eric Schmidt, in an interview with CNBC, defended Google's practices of gathering information in the wake of complaints about privacy.

"When Eric made that comment, it shook a lot of confidence in Google," Drysdale said. "Now, actually coming out and saying that they're not going to allow censorship to happen anymore in Chinese search results is a very strong stance. And I think it restores a lot of faith."

Others were wondering if there wasn't more to the story though.

Kit Eaton, a digital technology columnist for business magazine Fast Company, wrote Wednesday that finances almost certainly played a role in the all-or-nothing gambit.

"Everything seems to be extremely positive -- everyone is waving their hands in the air and saying, 'Go Google! It's a blow for human rights,' " Eaton told CNN. "But no one has really analyzed why."

For one thing, Google has not managed to dominate the search-engine market in China as it has in the rest of the world.

Beijing-based Baidu was claiming it had 77 percent of the market share in that country in the third quarter of last year, according to Fortune magazine, with Google pulling about 19 percent.

Analysts said less than 2 percent of Google's revenue comes from China. Best known for its search engine, Google also provides other computer services, including e-mail, online mapping, social networking and operating systems for mobile phones.

"I think we'd be daft to think that someone or other, some finance guys, haven't sat down and looked at the financial situation in China and said, 'You know what? This isn't going to work out,' " Eaton said.

By reacting to the Chinese hacking incident -- which Google says it has tightened security to prevent -- the company can save face while doing something it was considering anyway, he said.

"Pulling out of China may be a way to score a huge PR hit," Eaton said. "It looks good if Google, say, looks for some sort of government regulation approval inside the States in the future."

But Danny Sullivan, editor in chief of the Search Engine Land blog, said that Google was making good money in China and was steadily growing its share of the market.

He called suggestions that Google is considering pulling out of China because of money "cynical," saying that the mobile phone market was opening up for its Android operating system and that studies show Google has been earning more, per search, than Baidu.

"I think they were more successful than people are giving them credit for," Sullivan said. "They were not such losers that they decided, 'We better get out and here's a good excuse.' "

For its part, the Chinese government said Wednesday that it welcomes foreign Web-based enterprises and is working "to promote sound development of the Internet."

"The Internet in China is open," said Xi Yanchun, a Chinese Embassy spokesman. "It is illegal to assault the Internet. China [welcomes] foreign Internet enterprises to do business legally in China."

In the English-language version of the state-run Xinhua news, a Chinese official highlighted the 700 Chinese jobs that would be lost if Google pulled out.

Xinhua quoted Guo Ke, a communications professor at Shanghai International Studies University, saying it would be "almost impossible" for Google to quit China and that the government would never back down on censorship.

"It will not make any difference to the government if Google quits China; however, Google will suffer a huge economic loss from leaving the Chinese market," Guo said, according to Xinhua. "Chinese Internet users are the real victims if Google quits China. I think Google is just playing cat and mouse, and trying to use netizens' anger or disappointment as leverage."

The final result, Drummond told CNN, will be up to the Chinese.

"[W]e just no longer in good conscience can continue to censor our results," he said. "And so it's kind of up to the Chinese government as to whether they want to work with us in a way that will allow us to be there on that basis."

That stance, Sullivan said, is the sort of brash approach that industry analysts have come to expect.

"That actually felt very Google-like," he said. "It's the kind of thing they would do."
 
Mave said:
China is just another example from failunism communism.
Not at all. Its the ruling people´s fault, not communism´s fault. Communism itself is something good, because it is very democratic. But the ruling people fail to "do" REAL communism.
 
In China, political debates are often indistinguishable from economic and social debates. The most recent crackdown on movies and media representations, including a long list of themes or subjects, is making this social control even more apparent. They've gone so far as to censor the concept of time traveling (what? :confused2: ) For several American and European countries used to a comparatively free media and arts environment, these restrictions are difficult to understand and sounds even weird. I found this here: China cracking down on time travel and ambiguous moral lessons

This is a critical restriction against right to information, freedom of speech, and people in the field of creative media and entertainment, as they won't be able to make any content with the themes or topics censored by the Chinese government. If the law continue to pass, I guess they'll probably be stuck with the same old cliche stories and movies. :sir:
 
KatherineB said:
In China, political debates are often indistinguishable from economic and social debates. The most recent crackdown on movies and media representations, including a long list of themes or subjects, is making this social control even more apparent. They've gone so far as to censor the concept of time traveling (what? :confused2: ) For several American and European countries used to a comparatively free media and arts environment, these restrictions are difficult to understand and sounds even weird. I found this here: China cracking down on time travel and ambiguous moral lessons

This is a critical restriction against right to information, freedom of speech, and people in the field of creative media and entertainment, as they won't be able to make any content with the themes or topics censored by the Chinese government. If the law continue to pass, I guess they'll probably be stuck with the same old cliche stories and movies. :sir:

Well the Chinese government does whatever it wants, I'm glad I wasn't born in China.
 
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