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September's livestream drama storylines are juicy.

First, we got the chess drama. Not necessarily livestream community alone, but since COVID twitch viewerbase has been surprisingly invested in high-level chess. It also helped that several grand masters turned out to be quite entertaining streamers - as well as massive drama queens. Who knew?
Anyway, the main story is that at a top-level chess championship, the current best rated chess player, Magnus Carlsen, lost a game to a up and coming player, Hans Niemann. Niemann is young, and a prodigy, but he's not on the same level as Carlsen, and he won using black pieces. A statistical anomaly.
Immediately after his loss, Carlsen resigned from the tournament, stating he "can't say the reason", because he'll get in trouble. The implication being that he's certain that Niemann cheated, but can't actually prove it. Accusing someone of cheating in chess is a serious thing, apparently, so Carlsen is careful with his words. Or non words, rather, as he has kept silent for the rest.
The chess world immediately went into shitstorm drama mode, with several other grand masters like Nakamura coming out and taking Carlsen's side, while Niemann vehemently defended himself (obviously). Then some more skeletons fall out of the closet, and it's shown that Niemann has cheated in the past, in online tournaments. However, he was 12 and 16 when those moments took place. Easily attributed to youthful idiocy.
As it stands now, well, it still hasn't been proven. Some theories state that he was cheating using a chess AI, and used something called a "sockfish" to communicate with it. Unlikely, since competitors are fairly tightly checked before being allowed near the board. Another is that Niemann may have a mole in Carlsen's camp, and was able to peek at his preparations and strategies. But again, it's nothing but suggestions.
Meanwhile, some drama frogs on Twitch chat made the joke that Niemann cheated using a vibrating buttplug to communicate with the AI, and it got picked up as a serious suggestion by official news outlets. Peak journalism there.

Second drama was less important. Basically, xQc, one of the biggest streamers on Twitch, got into a slapfight with Mizkif, who is also one of the biggest. The slapping was mostly about sponsorships, morality, and keeping promises. There was some slapping from xQc about how in the past, Mizkif streamed his then GF's podcast, because he was afraid it would get more views than his stream, and Mizkif slapped back by exposing xQc about ditching several meetups (including a charity thing) in favor of gambling on stream.
Yes, it has been rather well documented that xQc has a rather extensive history with gambling, often streaming literal casino websites, where he just spends thousands of dollars on a digital slotmachine. It has been a major point of criticism of him before, as he has a rather youthful , and impressionable audience. Who he willingly exposes to gambling. He also often took sponsorships from those gambling sites, being fully aware of his influence over young kids.
The drama further evolved when xQc's ex-gf came out of the woodworks, claiming his family is incredibly toxic, and a horrible influence on him. xQc then came and exposed more details about their breakup, and how she never get along with his family, despite the ex-gf's wishes to keep the details private. Obviously, he caught flak for that as well.

But, that drama took a rather abrupt step aside, when the whole Sliker story came out. It's fairly recent, so lots of details are still being worked out, but... Sliker "borrowed" over $300k from friends, fans, and other streamers, to feed his gambling addiction. He'd contact people, spin some bullshit story about how his bank got locked, and he needed 100, 500, or 1000 GBP for whatever reason. Mom needed a plane ticket, he needed to buy some food, whatever. He'd promise to pay them back, but of course, he never did. All that money went into gambling. After a while, he started to "borrow" money to be able to directly pay back others, effectively setting up a ponzi scheme.
Here as well, his ex-gf came out, said that his gambling addiction caused their breakup, and that she's afraid he'll take his own life. More and more people came forward with stories about Sliker asking them for money, with top "contributors" having given him $7k (which was a fan), $27k (another streamer), and mostly, $100k. That last number was from Trainwrecks, who has his own history with gambling and shady stuff, and agreed to give Sliker the 100k to pay off gambling debts, so he could have "a clean slate". Instead, it was used for gambling. Of course. He apparently even asked his own moderator team for money, and now that team is shitting all over his livestream. Setting the title to "i'm a thief!" and playing confession clips over and over, spamming his chat, and other shit. It's wild.
Sliker himself has admitted to everything, and has confessed that he needs help, and he's going to seek it. He also admitted that if this story hadn't been brought to light, he probably would've continued with his behavior, and is/was fully convinced he would be able to pay everyone back once he "wins big". Pure gambling addict mentality.
The drama expanded into the larger Twitch metasphere, with several streamers either taking Sliker's side ("it's an addiction!"), and others saying he belongs in jail. Some big streamers got into a call with Sliker, to talk things out, which led to more immature slapfighting.
Some streamers (mostly Minx, who is known for being a loudmouth) started saying that Sliker doesn't deserve a platform anymore, and that any conversations just worsens it all, that they are part of the problem for even trying to defend it, etc... In the other camp, the response to people calling for blood (sometimes literally, yikes) is usually that making light of a gambling addiction only makes things worse, yadda yadda yadda...
Meanwhile, Ludwig and xQc (yes, the one from the previous drama) have stated they will pay back anyone who lost money in this fiasco, stating "it's about the victims", and that it's about helping someone with an addiction. Of course, Minx started slapping on this generous move, by shouting that that'll only reinforce the behavior with Sliker, since he's now given an easy way out. A fair point, but still.

It's the most inappropriate people giving their uninformed opinions and fans taking it as gospel, typical Twitch.


So yeah. I'm way to invested in this. I always mocked my mom for following that stupid celebrity drama, and yet, here I sit, typing out a fucking novel for y'all. Shit's wild. Don't go to /r/livestreamfails, folks. It's toxic, full of vitriol, and loves to stir up drama.
Will read after work, looks juicy already.
 

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Or, if you prefer to listen, Charlie gives a rundown of the drama. It... it got wild.


Watched it and I can only decide that Twitch seriously needs to start being consistent with their bans.
The guy that scammed people for 300k is also a real pos.
Chess bot programmed into a pair of anal beads? What the actual fuck.
 

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Watched it and I can only decide that Twitch seriously needs to start being consistent with their bans.
This has been a consistent complaint about Twitch. The issue I see is that the system that decides the bans isn't one person/program. It's a bunch of people, and they all have different limits. Combine that with the "we can't admit fault or else our credibility is down the shitter", and you get ridiculous things like 30 days for an offensive in-joke, and 3 days for literal sex on stream.

Chess bot programmed into a pair of anal beads? What the actual fuck.
It's a silly continuation of the Sockfish device. You'd communicate with an AI through morsecode, and the AI replies with morsecoded vibrations against your leg. People made the obvious joke that the vibrating part would be in your butthole.





LET'S FUCKING GO DUNKEY AND LEAH
 

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This has been a consistent complaint about Twitch. The issue I see is that the system that decides the bans isn't one person/program. It's a bunch of people, and they all have different limits. Combine that with the "we can't admit fault or else our credibility is down the shitter", and you get ridiculous things like 30 days for an offensive in-joke, and 3 days for literal sex on stream.


It's a silly continuation of the Sockfish device. You'd communicate with an AI through morsecode, and the AI replies with morsecoded vibrations against your leg. People made the obvious joke that the vibrating part would be in your butthole.
Of course they did :biggrin:
 

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YouTube drama, h3h3 got banned for being anti-Semitic... he's a jew.

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YouTube drama, h3h3 got banned for being anti-Semitic... he's a jew.
He is. And he was talking about Ben Shapiro, and said "If another Holocaust were to happen, [he] hoped Ben Shapiro would get gassed first.".

I mean, that's pretty fucked up.
 

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He is. And he was talking about Ben Shapiro, and said "If another Holocaust were to happen, [he] hoped Ben Shapiro would get gassed first.".

I mean, that's pretty fucked up.
Oh wow first time I hear about this. That does change the situation quite a bit.
 

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My essentials/favorite ones are:
Shoe0nHead: https://www.youtube.com/c/Shoe0nHead. A nice girl talks about politics and stuff.
Alina Gingertail: https://www.youtube.com/c/AlinaGingertail. The best music channel for geeks and gamers.
Vsauce: https://www.youtube.com/c/vsauce1. The best scientific channel ever. I even use youtube downlownloader chrome sometimes to download his videos and watch them while traveling in a bus or during the breaks between classes. It really helps me to set my brain in a working condition and think about things critically.
Among the others I also like are Adam ruing everything, College Humor, and sometimes Vice.
 
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Stybar

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Gather round, gather round, for the next installment of "Stybar gets waaay too invested in internet drama".

Although, this is a bit more serious than some over-inflated egos throwing shit at eachother. Or, well, there are inflated egos involved, but there are also millions of dollars lost in this tale.

You probably know Logan Paul. One of the Paul brothers, famed vlogger, he's the guy who did the "oopsie" in the Japanese suicide forest. And recently, it appeared he'd cleaned up his act. Got into boxing (with pretty great success), started a drink company with KSI, and generally didn't really do anything bad. Just a regular Youtuber, but with a massive viewerbase.
And then he started promoting "CryptoZoo". A project he had started, which was a game with NFTs, with a cryptocoin supporting it. You could "buy" an "egg", which would then hatch into an "animal" (read, a jpg of an animal - these were the NFTs). Those animals could then cross breed to give you more eggs, which gave you new animals, based on it's "parents". You could also sell the "animals" for Zoo, which was the accompanying cryptotoken. Logan marketed it as "a really fun game, which earns you money".
Of course, Logan being the public face on it, it quickly got popular in the Web3 spheres. People invested, and... nothing happened. The project didn't release - or at least, not in the form it was promised - and the value of the coins plummeted. Logan himself sent exactly two messages in the project's discord, and stopped talking about it on his podcast. It looked like a typical rugpull.

Then Coffezilla got interested. If you don't know him, Coffeezilla is an investigative journalist (I suppose we can call him that), who focuses on exposing crypto scammers and fake gurus. His work is so detailed, it has been subpoena'd by government agencies to help in investigations.
So, he starts digging, and uncovers a whole mountain of shady shit. Literal scam artists who got involved, programmers who highjacked the source code due to non-payments, vague legal threats from Logan's manager Jeff, all kinds of stuff. It's all documented and explained in an excellent 3-part series (start here, and then this one, and finally this). It's... all very damning. And in conclusion: there are a lot of people at fault, several millions in crypto got rugpulled (although not by Logan), and a lot of people lost money. And the face of it all is Logan Paul.

Of course, Logan didn't like this coming out. Soon after the third and final video was released, Logan started crying foul on Twitter, saying that Coffeezilla's work is "usually great, but this one isn't". Logan then also followed with a "response" video, in which he shifts all the blame from him onto his team (the team that he hired).
Of particular note:
- He blames Coffeezilla for not contacting him directly - but omitting the fact that Coffeezilla did try (the very first video explained how he couldn't contact Logan, and how the phonecall with the manager Jeff was just... fucking weird).
- He dismisses the testimony given by the lead developer of the project (the one who supposedly locked the code and blackmailed Logan), because said developer "was a criminal". Why did Logan hire him, then? Well, again, it's the fault of his team.
- A semi-valid point is that one of the testimonies of people who lost money, was made by a guy who's been known to rugpull other crypto projects himself. Only semi-valid, because it doesn't discredit the many others who testified in the videos.
- Logan then finishes the video by promising to sue Coffeezilla for defamation and false accusations.

Surprisingly, Coffee stayed quiet. Apparently, a lot of things happened behind the scenes, and later on he mentioned that he had a reply video ready himself, but was contacted by Logan to talk things out before he posted it. So, a little bit later, Logan came back out, removed his reply video, and basically walked back every statement he made. The lawsuit is now completely off the table. A new apology video was released, where accepted (part of) the blame, and he has since promised to right his wrongs, and also to cough up $1.3 million to pay back people who got shafted in the whole ordeal. Still, the whole apology he posted was kinda weaksauce. More like Logan was doing the bare fucking minimum to repay those who got scammed.
A shitton of Youtubers came out in support of Coffeezilla, and blasted Logan for being a fucking idiot. Charlie, Mudahar, even fucking Pyrocynical got his comments out.


So yeah. Massive Youtuber scandal - but this time with actual millions being swindled. It still is overinflated egos, but at the core is some solid journalism. And, y'know, another giant cryptoscam.
Don't do drugs, kids. Or NFTs.
 

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Gather round, gather round, for the next installment of "Stybar gets waaay too invested in internet drama".

Although, this is a bit more serious than some over-inflated egos throwing shit at eachother. Or, well, there are inflated egos involved, but there are also millions of dollars lost in this tale.

You probably know Logan Paul. One of the Paul brothers, famed vlogger, he's the guy who did the "oopsie" in the Japanese suicide forest. And recently, it appeared he'd cleaned up his act. Got into boxing (with pretty great success), started a drink company with KSI, and generally didn't really do anything bad. Just a regular Youtuber, but with a massive viewerbase.
And then he started promoting "CryptoZoo". A project he had started, which was a game with NFTs, with a cryptocoin supporting it. You could "buy" an "egg", which would then hatch into an "animal" (read, a jpg of an animal - these were the NFTs). Those animals could then cross breed to give you more eggs, which gave you new animals, based on it's "parents". You could also sell the "animals" for Zoo, which was the accompanying cryptotoken. Logan marketed it as "a really fun game, which earns you money".
Of course, Logan being the public face on it, it quickly got popular in the Web3 spheres. People invested, and... nothing happened. The project didn't release - or at least, not in the form it was promised - and the value of the coins plummeted. Logan himself sent exactly two messages in the project's discord, and stopped talking about it on his podcast. It looked like a typical rugpull.

Then Coffezilla got interested. If you don't know him, Coffeezilla is an investigative journalist (I suppose we can call him that), who focuses on exposing crypto scammers and fake gurus. His work is so detailed, it has been subpoena'd by government agencies to help in investigations.
So, he starts digging, and uncovers a whole mountain of shady shit. Literal scam artists who got involved, programmers who highjacked the source code due to non-payments, vague legal threats from Logan's manager Jeff, all kinds of stuff. It's all documented and explained in an excellent 3-part series (start here, and then this one, and finally this). It's... all very damning. And in conclusion: there are a lot of people at fault, several millions in crypto got rugpulled (although not by Logan), and a lot of people lost money. And the face of it all is Logan Paul.

Of course, Logan didn't like this coming out. Soon after the third and final video was released, Logan started crying foul on Twitter, saying that Coffeezilla's work is "usually great, but this one isn't". Logan then also followed with a "response" video, in which he shifts all the blame from him onto his team (the team that he hired).
Of particular note:
- He blames Coffeezilla for not contacting him directly - but omitting the fact that Coffeezilla did try (the very first video explained how he couldn't contact Logan, and how the phonecall with the manager Jeff was just... fucking weird).
- He dismisses the testimony given by the lead developer of the project (the one who supposedly locked the code and blackmailed Logan), because said developer "was a criminal". Why did Logan hire him, then? Well, again, it's the fault of his team.
- A semi-valid point is that one of the testimonies of people who lost money, was made by a guy who's been known to rugpull other crypto projects himself. Only semi-valid, because it doesn't discredit the many others who testified in the videos.
- Logan then finishes the video by promising to sue Coffeezilla for defamation and false accusations.

Surprisingly, Coffee stayed quiet. Apparently, a lot of things happened behind the scenes, and later on he mentioned that he had a reply video ready himself, but was contacted by Logan to talk things out before he posted it. So, a little bit later, Logan came back out, removed his reply video, and basically walked back every statement he made. The lawsuit is now completely off the table. A new apology video was released, where accepted (part of) the blame, and he has since promised to right his wrongs, and also to cough up $1.3 million to pay back people who got shafted in the whole ordeal. Still, the whole apology he posted was kinda weaksauce. More like Logan was doing the bare fucking minimum to repay those who got scammed.
A shitton of Youtubers came out in support of Coffeezilla, and blasted Logan for being a fucking idiot. Charlie, Mudahar, even fucking Pyrocynical got his comments out.


So yeah. Massive Youtuber scandal - but this time with actual millions being swindled. It still is overinflated egos, but at the core is some solid journalism. And, y'know, another giant cryptoscam.
Don't do drugs, kids. Or NFTs.
Naturally it’s about Logan and NFTs, the worst combination.
Coffeezilla is a hero.
Heard about this story and the pathetic apology video through h3h3.
Why do people keep falling for his shit??
 

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Naturally it’s about Logan and NFTs, the worst combination.
Coffeezilla is a hero.
Heard about this story and the pathetic apology video through h3h3.
Why do people keep falling for his shit??
Bigger fool scams. They always think that they're not that stupid, someone else will be a bigger idiot.
And, from what I remember from the Coffeezilla videos... a lot of victims felt that it would be (relatively) safe, because it had Logan Paul backing it. He's already rich - surely he wouldn't need to scam people.
 

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Oh boy, here we go again!




Line-up looks great! Some fighters I did not expect to return (like Arin Hanson), others which are going to be very interesting (Hundar was pretty solid last year, and Myth was doing great at Ludwig's event). And here's to hoping Marisha Rey shows up dressed as Beau.
Also, if Matt Watson isn't pulling some "I'm still concussed" type of prank at the national anthem, I'm gonna be disappointed.
 

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Oh boy, here we go again!




Line-up looks great! Some fighters I did not expect to return (like Arin Hanson), others which are going to be very interesting (Hundar was pretty solid last year, and Myth was doing great at Ludwig's event). And here's to hoping Marisha Rey shows up dressed as Beau.
Also, if Matt Watson isn't pulling some "I'm still concussed" type of prank at the national anthem, I'm gonna be disappointed.

AB in again, love that guy.
Is XQC gonna show? Doubt.
 
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